[24743] Joan is daughter of Sir GIlbert de Greinville of Hallaton, Leicestershire, according to http://armidalesoftware.com/issue/full/Thaler_486_main.html, which reports that she first m. Sir John de Engaine whith whom she had Joan de Engaine (d. 1 June 1315; m. 18 July 1310 Adam de Welle, 1st Lord Welles - see http://www.rootsweb.com/~wellsfam/heraldry/coa102.html).
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[34532] This person is from the unverified Gatewood Logan Family tree in Ancestry.com in 2013 which states Johannes m. Barbara Ruehti (1550-1612).