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[49584] "The Ellsworth American [Ellsworth, Maine], 15 Novemebr 2021": "Steuben - Lorena Kelley was reunited with her loving husband, Willard Sr., and her beloved son, Willard Jr., when she passed through heavens gates Oct. 25, 2021. Lorena was born April 2, 1934, to the late Harold and Sylvina (Carver) Alley. She grew up on Beals Island. Lorena was one of the 'old-fashioned' schoolteachers, and over the years became well known by many as 'one of the best teachers I ever had.' She always took great pride in helping those who struggled to learn, and she did it with kindness and respect for their individuality. Lorena was also a kind and generous person at heart, always shopping for, and gifting, those less fortunate, not only at Christmastime, but throughout the year. Married to Willard until his death in 2017, she was the epitome of a 'virtuous woman,' leading her home with integrity and discipline. She was a loving mother to their children, two of whom, along with their spouses, survive her - Charles (Julie) and Kathy (Jim), as well as her daughter-in-law, Cindy. Also surviving 'Grammie,' as she was lovingly known, are her adored grandchildren, Joseph, Alyssa, Mack, Dedra, Katie, Brady, Connor, Hannah, Kyle and her newest, great-grandaughter Ellouise."
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[58473] The unverified file 2S84-4L8 in familysearch.org offers: "When Abigail Brown was born on 7 August 1798, in Maine, United States, her father, George Brown, was 29 and her mother, Mary Ann Strout, was 25. She married Benjamin Leighton about 1815, in Washington, Maine, United States. They were the parents of at least 2 sons. She lived in Milbridge, Washington, Maine, United States for about 20 years. She died in 1872, at the age of 74, and was buried in Milbridge, Washington, Maine, United States."
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[31691] If her death date and daughter Elizaeth's birth date are both correct, she died giving birth or very soon thereafter. This line is from the unverified OneWorldTree in Ancestry.com in 2011 which proposes her ancestry.
[61443] The unverified file 2QB5-QR2 in familysearch.org offers: "When Elijah Demmons was born on 13 May 1812, in Marion Township, Washington, Maine, United States, his father, Gamaliel Demmons, was 27 and his mother, Keziah Stevens, was 24. He married Sarah Nickerson on 1 September 1838, in Lubec, Washington, Maine, United States. They were the parents of at least 10 sons and 7 daughters. He lived in Whiting, Washington, Massachusetts, United States for about 10 years and Maine, United States in 1870. He died on 4 November 1894, in Bradley, Penobscot, Maine, United States, at the age of 82, and was buried in Bradley, Penobscot, Maine, United States."
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A 2009 posting by Jim _____ in GenForm.genealogy.com in reply to Carl _____ "Re: Joan Douglas wife of William Dacre c.1357-1399":
You're agreeing in large part with what I stated before (five + years ago), that there is no evident proof of this Joan's parentage-but also there's really no proof this particular Joan Douglas, as a wife of William de Dacre or daughter of James, Earl Douglas, ever existed at all. The problem stems from earlier derivative sources, The Visitations of Yorkshire for one (1563, 1564, William Flowers, 1881), which on p. 83 (chart) show the wife of William Dacre to be "doghter of therl Doglas" (sic). Also, the first edition of the Complete Peerage, vol. III (1890), p. 2 stated: "he m. Joan Douglas, said to have been an illegit. da. of James (Douglas), Earl Douglas [S.] He d. 20 July 1398."
This last excerpt was corrected in the second edition of the Complete Peerage, vol. IV, p. 6: ": He is said to have m. (g) Joan Douglas.(s) He m. Mary…(i)"
Note in the corrected version the subtle "he is said to have" (as in rumored to have) versus the statement he married Mary (unknown). Unfortunately, information, good or bad, once released seems to develop a life of its own. The footnotes (g) and (i) provide more clarification as to the identity of his wife:
"(g) Record as on p. i, note " d." Genealogists add that Joan was illegit. da. of James, Earl of Douglas. But if so (and if she were the mother of the heir), this
worthy, b. about 1358, would have been a grandfather at the age of 29, or thereabouts."
"(i) Writ de dote assignanda " Marie que fuit uxor Willelmi de Dacre chivaler defuncti," 3 Oct. (Close Roll, i Hen. IV, p. I, m. 37)."
Note (g) points out the chronological implausibility that this supposed Joan could not have been both a daughter of James, Earl of Douglas and (as wife of William Dacre) the mother of Thomas Dacre. So if not Thomas's mother, her information is relegated to a less important detail and would not be as important to this lineage.
Note (i) cites a writ assigning Mary, widow of William de Dacre (knight, deceased), her dower. The text dates it 3 October 1399 (he died 20 July 1399) Most social histories of that time period will tell you that such a writ was usually issued within 90 days or so of the death of the husband, as this was. But it identifies his widow as Mary. We have no evidentiary reason to suppose or speculate that Mary was also called Joan or that she was a Douglas.
The subject of illegitimacy during the Middle Ages could (and has) filled volumes. We know it was fairly widespread during that time period; not just among the nobility or royalty. Other than the fathers who acknowledged such children-and apparently most didn't-we only have the recorded instances of leyrwite in manorial courts to go by. Illegitimate pregnancies fell under the catchall term of fornication and leyrwite was usually levied against the woman. For men, such extramarital activities were held as a minor misdeed by medieval churchmen-that is, by those who weren't practicing it themselves. Finding records of out of wedlock children (at a time when perhaps 5% of the population at best was documented) creates a major and often insurmountable task for genealogists and family historians today. If there is no evidence, then following most genealogical guidelines (GPS and others), you'd have to conclude a connection can't honestly be made.
I didn't mention, nor did I notice anyone else in this thread mentioning a will for William de Dacre. Typically, not being mentioned in a will could indicate a number of situations. The child wasn't his, the child predeceased the father, the father had not acknowledged the child, or there could have been a dispute where perhaps the child was disowned. But, charters, chancellery records, charters, and other documents can sometimes be found that might help determine what the situation was and why a child was excluded. But where there is simply no primary evidence of a person ever existing you have to question why a researcher would want to include him or her in a genealogy (other than perhaps as a footnote). Genealogy is, after all, about documentation, not speculation.
As for the possibility of a middle name (e.g. Mary Joan Douglas or Joan Mary Douglas), I'm afraid middle names were not customary in fourteenth-century England. They are a later convention, something on the order of mid-1600s for England-even later before the usage could be called widespread. So, I'd have to disagree with that idea just on this basis alone.
You also mentioned lack of citations in the sources mentioned. If you carefully follow the footnotes in The Complete Peerage, The Scots Peerage, and other similar compilations (with a notable exception to Faris, The Plantagenet Ancestry, where they are usually found in the text) you'll find reference to the sources used. Case in point; CP IV (1916), p. 6 re: William de Dacre, Lord Dacre. While limited to a single paragraph on him, his information contained 6 footnotes (d through i) containing the following citations:
Fine Roll, 7 Ric. II, 12.
Close Roll, m. 13 d
Close Roll, m 42 d
Reference to p. 1, note "d." (which in turn referred to H. Howard, Howard Memorials)
Ch. Inq. P. m., Ric. II, file 109, no. 18
Reference to Dugdale (Baronage or Monasticon Anglicanum, unspecified)
Close Roll, 1 Hen. IV, p. 1, m. 37
As an example of the Scots Peerage (founded on Wood's ed. of Sir Robert Douglas's Peerage of Scotland) citations, here is SP III, pp. 148-155 footnotes for William, 1st Earl of Douglas (a favorite ancestor), father of James (2nd Earl of Douglas and Mar) and George (1st Earl of Angus):
Rotuli Scotiae, i, 709, 749
Reg. Honoris de Morton, ii, 46, 47
Foedera, iii, 246
The Douglas Book, i, 222-228
The Douglas Book, iii, 360, 361
cf. Seventh Hist. MSS, Rep. App. 527
Fordun, ed. 1871, 376
Acta Parl. Scot.,i , 522, 523
Sterlings of Keir, 199
Cf. Liber de Melros, ii, 428-433
The Douglas Book, i, 236
Bain, Cal. Docs. Scot., iv, No. 9
Cf. Acta. Parl. Scot.,i, 524, 525
Bain, Cal. Docs. Scot., iv, No. 91
Acta. Parl. Scot.,i, 495, 496, 526, 527
The House of Douglas, by Sir Herbert Maxwell, i, 86
Cf. The Douglas Book, i, 253, 254
Ibid, 255
The Douglas Book, i, 371
Rotuli Scotae, i, 960
Liber de Melros, ii, 478-480
The Douglas Book, i, 291; ii, 550
cf. The Douglas Book, i, 287
Reg. Mag. Sig., 16 April 1476
Mar Charter Chest
Gen. Reg. Ho., No. 220
Exch. Rolls, iv, 86
Les. Ecossais en France, Parl, Michel, i, 64
i 290; ii, 550
Antiquities of Aberdeen and Banff, iv, 731
Admittedly Cokayne's CP usually provides more sources than most, but it is one of the reasons it's considered a benchmark. It's important to check citations however. Your mention of these shows you are aware of their value. Case in point; earlier in the thread I mentioned Faris, PA, p. 105, the excerpt being: "…William de Dacre [5th Lord Dacre of Gilsland] (of baronial descent), by his wife Joan Douglas, said to be base-born daughter of James Douglas, 2nd Earl Douglas." His information is found under the title "Philippe de Neville," wife of Thomas de Dacre (son and heir of William); the citations being:
H.S.P. 16:84 (1881) (1563 Vis. Yorks).
Clay (1913), p. 37.
C. P. 4:7-9 (1916).
Paget (1977), p. 416.
You don't have to go far to find problems here when you check these sources. As previously cited (and despite the phonic spelling), you see in the Visitations of Yorkshire that the supposed father of this Joan was simply listed as the Earl of Douglas (therl Doglas). James was not mentioned by name, and, while he is a possible father, no explanation was given for the interpretation that this necessarily meant it was James, the 2nd earl. Then, the citation to CP IV contains information on William de Dacre on p. 6 and his son Thomas on p. 7, yet the authors are inexplicably citing pages 7-9. Pages 8 and 9 contain information on Joan, Baroness Dacre (p. 8) and Thomas Fiennes, Lord Dacre (p. 9) neither of whom are mentioned. Worse, they took information from p. 6, which they obviously read, but didn't include it in the citation; omitting any mention of the properly cited Mary in favor of the supposed wife Joan Douglas. There is more here that displays less than accurate use of source citations, but these two alone are sufficient to show that, at best, this wasn't very carefully researched or documented.
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[34905] See http://www.treetreetree.org.uk/Howes.htm and http://www.bassettbranches.org. Did she really die on her wedding anniversary?
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[3066] {Death year from Burke's "American Families," London, 1939, p.2863.} Doug MacGregor in http://awt.ancestry.com (2004) lists a sibling of Henry: Isaac Perkins, b. 20 Dec 1571 in Hillmorton, England, d. after 1629 in Hillmorton, father of Isaac Perkins (b. 26 Jan 1612 in Hillmorton, d. 13 Nov 1685 in Hampton Falls, NH, m. Susanna Wise [of Ipswich, MA]).
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| | (1841 - 1912) m 1867
| _Robert Arno CONNER _|_Ada ORDWAY ___________
| | (1878 - 1942) (1853 - 1935)
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| | | | (1847 - 1911) m 1865
| | |_Nora E. COLSON _____|_Lucinda P. HOWARD ____
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[21794] William and Mary and their parents are from the unverified LDS Church Ancestral File (10V9-PRB) and from the 2003 web sites: http://www.misbach.org/genealogy (which states his father is Thomas Winslow, Esq., b. 1452 in Burton, Oxfordshire) and the unverified http://www.allen-bailey.com/jsbailey/d215.htm#P5078 Ancestry.com offers: "Winslow Name Meaning - English: habitational name from Winslow, a place in Buckinghamshire named from the genitive case of the Old English personal name or byname Wine (meaning friend) + Old English hlaw hill, mound, barrow."