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[49637] "Bangor Daily News [Bangor, Maine]. 27 November 2021": "Jonesport - John W. Alley, 70, passed away at home Thursday, November 18, 2021, with his loving wife and daughter by his side. He was born May 17, 1951, in Jonesport to Ernestine (Bryant) and Leo Alley. John married his high school sweetheart, Laura (Pratt) in 1972. Together they had two children, Todd Michael Alley and Tricia Lynn Alley. John attended school in Jonesport and graduated in the first graduating class from Jonesport-Beals High School in 1969. After high school, John went on to further his education at Maine Maritime Academy in Castine where he earned his degree in 1973 in Marine Engineering. After graduation from Maine Maritime, John went to work at Electric Boat in Groton, Connecticut but soon decided he wanted to sail. He then went to work as an engineer on tugboats and worked his way up to being a chief engineer. In his 43 years of merchant marine life, John worked for IOTC (Interstate Ocean Transport Co.), Sonat Marine, Maritrans, K-Sea Towing, and Kirby before his retirement in November 2016. John loved his maritime life working on the Patriot, the Java Sea and the Mediterranean Sea over the years and made many good friends while out to sea! After John retired from his many years of shipping, he returned home to 26 Trynor Square in Jonesport, and his family full time. He spent his retirement following adventures of his grandchildren, attending music festivals with Laura, Tricia and Jim, and watching multiple sporting events on TV and in person, especially Todd's soccer boys (and girls) at JBHS. John was always extremely proud of his family and all that they accomplished along the way. He enjoyed his time with family talking sports and current events and especially loved to aggravate and then sit back and grin. John leaves behind his loving wife, Laura; his daughter, Tricia and son-in-law, Jimmie Neal; daughter-in-law Sandy (Farnsworth) Alley; two grandchildren, Travis Dwayne and Bayleigh Elizabeth, who always made Grampie Johnny proud; a special niece who was like another daughter, Amy, who Uncle Johnny always loving referred to as 'Amos Moses;' her husband, Shane; and son, Evan. John is also survived by his siblings, Carla Lougee of Vallejo, CA, Julian 'Dusty' (Mary) Alley of Addison, Cynthia (Dale) Kenney of Winterport, Dean (Teresa) Alley of Jonesport, Teressa (Phillip) Cultrera of Prospect Harbor, Jimmie Alley of Jonesport, and Tammy (Bruce) King of Sanford; and many nieces and nephews. 'Chief' will also be remembered by close friends and co-workers, Anthony Martin from Grantham, NC, and Ben Woods from Berwick; and very special neighbors, Bobbi Jo Dame, who Johnny loving referred to as 'my Bob' and her husband, Roger, who John loved like his own children. John was predeceased by his beloved son and best friend, Todd Michael Alley on September 16, 2021. He was also predeceased by his brothers, Dwayne; and baby brother, Joey; parents, Ernestine and Leo; in-laws, Frances and Malcolm Pratt; and a close friend and co-worker, George Marshall from Raleigh NC."
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[56333] "The Ellsworth American [Ellsworth, Maine]," 14 May 2024: "Penobscot - Norris L. (Buster) Austin was born in Castine Oct. 15, 1938, and passed away on May 10, 2024, at his home in West Penobscot. He was predeceased by his parents, Herman and Olive Austin, Baby Girl, brother James Austin, sister-in-law Esther Austin, and nephew Benjamin Austin. He is survived by his wife of 63 years Margaret, daughter Janice (Eric) Pflugradt, son Mark Austin, daughter Bethany (Kendrick) Light, sister Patricia Snell, Berta Burbank, Halford Grindell, grandchildren Elizabeth Pflugradt (Steven Valentino), Thomas Light and Alexandra Light, and many nieces, nephews, and cousins. Buster and his brother James owned H.W. Austin & Sons, a construction company. He was a lifetime member of the Rising Star Lodge No. 4 and a friend of Bill W."
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[33806] "The Perry County Times [New Bloomfield, Pennsylvania], 24 November 1921," p. 3: "A. K. Dobbs, Esq., one of the best known citizens of the western part of the county, died at the home of his daughter, Mrs. Frank Ehlmah, Sandy Hill, this county, on tbe 17th inst., from the failing powers of old age. The deceased was an only son and child of tne late John R. and Rebecca (Arbuckle) Dobbs, and was born in Tuscarora township, Juniata county, Nov 2, 1838. At his death he was aged 83 years and 15 days. He was of Scotch-Irish parentage. His father dying when he was a year old, he was brought up in the home of his maternal grandfather. He attended common school and later Tuscarora Academy, Pa. In 1856 he was a clerk In the store at McCullock's Mills. A year later he clerked for Sam'l Milligan at Sandy Hill, remaining there nearly 3 years. He then clerked for A. J. Ferguson at Waterford, and with J. B. Okeson, at Port Royal. May 4, 1864, he married Sarah E., daughter of Samuel and Sarah (Rice) Rice, and engaged in farming. From this union there resulted five children, the following surviving: Samuel R.. Harrisburg; Sarah J. - Mrs. Frank Eblman, Sandy Hill and Edward M., of Spring township. Mrs. Dobbs died Nov. 6, 1908. Mr. Dobbs was a successful farmer until advancing years and feeble health compelled him to relinquish that following. He was frequently elected to township offlices and as Justice of the Peace made an enviable reputation for his sound judgment in settling disputes. Such was the confidence in his judgment by his fellow citizens that for twenty years he served as assessor of his township, 'Squire Dobbs' was respected by all who knew him and stood high in the community in which he so long lived. Funeral services were held from his late residence Sunday afternoon with interment in the Buffalo graveyard. Rev. A. C. Forscht, of the Ickesburg Lutheran church, officiating."
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See "Medieval English Ancestors of Certain Americans," Carl Boyer III (Santa Clarita, CA, 2001), p. 97.
http://www.freewebz.com/powys/pl_tree/ps19/ps19_079.htm reports: "A rebel baron, excommunicated in 1215. Of Whittington, Shropshire and Alveston, Glos."
Robert Brian Stewart of Heidelberg, Germany posted at http://homepages.rootsweb.com/~cousin/html/p325.htm: "Fulke Fitzwarin was born about 1169 in Hertfordshire, England. The book by Maurine Keen, 'The Outlaws of Medieval Legend', includes a chapter on the story of the Romance of Fulke Fitzwarin, and several chapters on the Robin Hood ballads. Fulke was married to Maude le Vavasour. The true-life story of Maude's relationship with Fulke Fitzwarin is very similar to the legend of Robin Hood and Maid Marian. MaudeÂ’s parents were Sir Robert le Vavasour and Julian de Ros."
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A post by John P. Ravilious 4 May 2003 in GEN-MEDIEVAL-L Archives offers:
The current account in CP concerning Fulk FitzWarin 'III' [1] is compressed into a footnote initially concerned with Sir Fulk FitzWarin (d. 14 May 1254), father of Sir Fulk FitzWarin of Whittington, Salop, 1st Lord FitzWarin:
'He was s. and h. of Fulk fitz Warin of Whittington (living Oct. 1250), who m., 1stly, Maud, widow of Theobald Walter, and da. of Robert le Vavasur (Patent Roll, 9 Joh., m. 5; Fine Roll, mm. II, 8) and, 2ndly, Clarice Dauberville (Fine Roll, 34 Hen. III, m. 2; Chron. of Fulk FitzWarin, p. 410.' [2]
A long-running discourse is to be found in CP, on SGM and elsewhere on the identification of individuals named Fulk FitzWarin, and (as noted esp. on SGM) the lack of certainty concerning these identifications. In particular, the chronology concerning Fulk 'III' and his son Fulk 'IV' has caused considerable confusion, consternation and frequent error. While I do not concur with her final determination on this point, Janet Meisel correctly states on this subject, 'Although the records of the thirteenth century give a surprisingly clear picture of Fulk III's life, they give an even more surprisingly muddled picture of his death. Unlikely though it may seem, it is impossible to determine the date of Fulk's death with anything approaching certainty.' [3]
The confusion in large part emanates from two sources:
A. The Chronicle of Fulk FitzWarin, which states that Clarice d'Auberville was the 2nd wife of Fulk 'III' [4]. [the Chronicle is specifically cited as one of the sources used in CP V:495(c)].
B. Sir William Dugdale, who also used the Chronicle (in a manuscript collection he cited as 'Lel. Coll. Vol. I', using pp. 261 through 269) together with other sources, and unfortunately managed to combine Fulk 'III' and 'IV' together as evidenced by his writing,' This Fulke married a second Wife called Clarice; and in 48 Hen. 3 being in the Battle of Lewes, on the Kings part; was there drowned in the adjacent River; leaving issue Fulke his Son and Heir, and a Daughter called Eve, who became the second Wife to Lewelin Prince of Wales.' [5]
There are two sources of information, hitherto unknown or unrecognized, which provide sufficient details as to resolve the confusion, and to provide a basis for reconstructing the FitzWarin pedigree [6].
1. Narborough, co. Leics. was a part of the maritagium of Maud le Vavasour, concerning which there is significant documentation. Concerning this, we know that Maud le Vavasour must have died before 1226, by which time Hawise FitzWarin (daughter of Fulk 'III' and Maud le Vavsour) and her husband William Pantulf were holding Narborough as part of her maritagium. At that time, her half-brother Theobald Walter brought a suit of 'mort d' ancestor' to recover the manor, which was not ultimately successful [7].
Concerning the market at Narborough, co. Leics. for which Fulk 'III' had a charter from King Henry III in 1219, and to which his right was reinstated in 1220 [8], this apparently fell in disuse, possibly as a result of the suit of Theobald Walter in 1226. There is record of the revival of the market in 1235 for Hubert Huse, the second husband of Hawise FitzWarin (William Pantulf d. in 1233) in the Close Rolls, as follows:
'On 22 Nov 1235, K Hen III granted Hubert Hues that the market which was accustomed to be held at the manor, which was formerly held by Fulk fitz Warin, deceased, was to be revived and to be held as before on Tues. Mandate to the sh of Leicestershire to proclaim the market and cause it to be held (CR, 1234-7, p. 210).' [9]
We have then a contemporaneous statement that the Fulk FitzWarin who held this market (the earliest grant of which to one 'Fulk FitzWarin was in 1219) was deceased on or before 22 November 1235, to the knowledge of the King and his court. As closely involved as Fulk 'III' had been with the King (cf. Meisel, pp. 41-51), and given that the manor of Narborough was only brought into the FitzWarin family by the marriage of Maud le Vavasour to Fulk 'III' no later than 1 October 1207, we can then be confident that Fulk 'III' was in fact the deceased individual referred to in the Close Roll entry.
2. Clarice d'Auberville is identified in the 'Chronicle of Fulk FitzWarin' as the second wife of Fulk 'III', which identification is taken up by the CP account referenced above. This has been relatively consistently reflected, from the 'Chronicle' (14th century) through Dugdale [10], with one noted exception. Ivor West, in discussing a number of issues concerning individuals surnamed FitzWarin/FitzWarine, noted the placement of Clarice d'Auberville in an older version of CP as wife of Fulk 'IV' and mother of Fulk 'V' [11].
The answer as to the correct placement is provided in part by an entry in the records of King's Bench from 1249, which Meisel stated was "so peculiar that I quote it in its entirety. 'Fulk Fitz Warin acknowledges that he gave, conceded and by his charter confirmed to Mabil, his daughter, for homage and her service, his entire manor of Lambourn with all appurtenances, to have and hold for herself and the heirs of her body of Fulk and his heirs freely, quietly, etc., saving religious service, as is described in his charter.' "[12]
Meisel did not understand that this was Mabel, wife first of William de Crevequer, and secondly of John de Tregoz [13], who was clearly 'marriageable'; she further was unaware that Lambourn was in fact carried by Mabel FitzWarin as her maritagium, and that the manor (or a moiety thereof) is known to have been carried by Sybil de Tregoz, daughter of Mabel FitzWarin, to her marriage to Sir William de Grandison, 1st Lord Grandison [14].
It is clear, however, that Mabel was the daughter of a Fulk FitzWarin who was alive in 1249, as evidenced by the record provided by Meisel as noted above. Given that Fulk 'IV' had received the manor of Edlington, co. Yorks. as part of his inheritance and defended same successfully in 1252 against a suit by John le Vavasour, it is clear that he was the son of Maud le Vavasour and not another wife of Fulk 'III' (if Fulk 'III' indeed had another wife) [15]. Further, since Fulk 'III' had died in 1235 or before, it was Fulk 'IV' who was the father of Mabel, subsequently wife of William de Crevequer and John de Tregoz, as evidenced by this record of 1249. Mabel FitzWarin had two daughters and coheiresses by her second husband John de Tregoz: the eldest, Clarice, wife of Sir Roger la Warre (lst Lord La Warre, or de la Warr), and the youngest, Sybil, wife of Sir William, lst Lord Grandison. The younger, Sybil, was given a family name of the Tregoz family (Sybil de Ewyas, heiress of Ewyas Harold, was grandmother of John de Tregoz).
The name Clarice, given to the elder daughter, is onomastic evidence that Mabel FitzWarin was the daughter of Clarice d'Auberville: based on the chronological facts, she could in fact not have been the daughter of Constance de Tosny [16].
Fulk 'III' is typically placed as being born in 1178 or before, and living at least until October 1250 [17], and even is placed by Meisel as living later, that he 'probably died in the spring or early summer of 1258'. Writers have either not noted the alleged advanced age of Fulk (say 72 or more in 1250, and possibly over 80 in 1258), or indicated surprise at his activity at that age [18].
We can now clarify the basic reason for the confusion. Fulk 'III' died in 1235 or shortly before, aged say 56 (assuming a birth date of 1178, as per Meisel) or slightly older; references to Fulk FitzWarin or Fulk FitzWarin 'senior' from that date until the battle of Evesham (1264) therefore refer to his son Fulk 'IV', aged say 26 or slightly older at his father's death in 1235; say 40 years of age or so at the time of granting the maritagium of his daughter Mabel in 1249; and no more than 56 at the time of his death at Evesham.
The FitzWarin family therefore is properly reconstructed as follows:
1) Theobald = bef 1200 Maud le = 2) Fulk 'III' FitzWarin
Walter I (19) Vavasor I bef 1 Oct 1207
d. bef 14 I I d. ca. 1235
Feb 1205/6 I __________I
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I I I
Theobald Walter Hawise Fulk 'IV' = 1) Clarice = 2)Constance
b. ca. 1200 =1) bef 1226 FitzWarin I d'Auberville I de Tosny
of Boxted, William b.say F) I (20) I m. after
Suffolk & c. Pantulf 1208 I I 1238
(19) 2) Hubert k. 1264 I I (20)
Huse I I
I I
_____________________I I
I I
Mabel FitzWarin = 1) William de Fulk 'V' FitzWarin
Crevequer b. 14 Sept 1251
= 2) John de = Margaret de la
I Tregoz Pole
I I
V V
___________I
I
Fulk FitzWarin
b. 1251;
= before 25 Feb
`176/7 Margaret
de la Pole (G)
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NOTES
[1] For purposes of relating this discussion to prior posts and publications, the following designations are adhered to (with the caveat that no such numbering system was known to have been used in the 12th/13th centuries):
Fulk 'I' FitzWarin held to have been the 'son of Warin', m. Eve; d. ca. 1171
Fulk 'II' of Whittington, co. Salop & c.; m. Hawise, dau. and coheiress of Josce de Dinan [Lambourn, co. Berks. was her maritagium or inheritance]; d. after Nov. 1194
Fulk 'III' of Whittington, co. Salop., Lambourn, co. Berks. & c.; noted marcher baron and adversary of King John, and (largely) the subject of the 'Chronicle of Fulk FitzWarin'; m. before 1 Oct 1207 Maud, dau. and heiress of Robert le Vavasour and widow of Theobald Walter 'I'
Fulk 'IV' of Whittington, co. Salop.; supporter of King Henry III against Simon de Montfort; m. Constance de Tony/Tosny; k. in escaping from Battle of Lewes,(drowned), 14 May 1264
Fulk 'V' of Whittington, co. Salop; b. 14 Sept 1251; m. bef 25 Feb 1276/7 to Margaret 'de la Pole', dau. of Gruffydd ap Gwenwynwyn of Powys (d. 1286); summoned to Parliament from 24 June 1295 to 16 Oct 1315 by writs directed 'Fulconi filio Warini', thereby held to have become 1st Lord FitzWarin; d. 24 Nov 1315
[2] CP, Vol. V - FitzWarin, p. 495, note (c).
[3] Janet Meisel, Barons of the Welsh Frontier: The Corbet, Pantulf and Fitz Warin Families, 1066-1272, p. 50.
[4] Various renditions of 'The Chronicle of Fulk FitzWarin' are to be found in Internet sources. Much of the tale is taken into the text of Dugdale's account of the career of Fulk 'III' FitzWarin (see reference below).
[5] Dugdale, Baronage of England (London: Thomas Newcomb, 1675 [reprint New York: Georg Verlag, 1977], Fitz-Warine: pp. 443-5.
[6] The generally accepted structure of the family, as of this writing, would appear as follows:
[I] [II]
1) Theobald = bef 1200 Maud le = 2) Fulk FitzWarin = Clarice Walter I Vavasor I bef 1 Oct 1207 d'Auberville
d. bef 14 I I
Feb 1205/6 I I
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I I I
Theobald Walter Hawise Fulk FitzWarin = Constance
b. ca. 1200 = bef 1226 k. at Lewes I de Tosny
of Boxted, Suffolk William I b. say
& c. Pantulf I 1233/35
I
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I I
Fulk FitzWarin Mabel = 1) William
b. 1251; de Crevequer
= before 25 Feb = 2) John
`176/7 Margaret de Tregoz
de la Pole
[7] Meisel, pp. 98-99.
[8] Meisel, p. 98.
[9] Close Rolls of the Reign of Henry III (1227-1272), Vol. II p. 210, as cited in the Gazetteer of Markets and Fairs: www.histparl.ac.uk/cmh/gaz
[10] Dugdale, Baronage ,p. 445.
[11] The lack of clarity in distinguishing between the various Fulks FitzWarin is nothing new to members of SGM; a review of the archives will suffice to bear this out. CP also has had issues in this regard . . . noted below by Ivor West -
'Message 5 in thread
From: Ivor West
Subject: Re: FitzWarine - Argentan
Newsgroups: soc.genealogy.medieval
Date: 2003-02-21 08:29:50 PST
I think I have it worked out now, thanks to J.J. Alexander's paper on the early owners of Merton, (DCNQ, xx, 256).
Reverting to Clarice de Auberville: on looking at an older version of CP, I notice that she is attributed as wife to Fulk fitzWarin, d.1264. If it isn't shown as such in the current edition, presumably they have back-tracked for some reason or have left it indeterminate. It goes:
"Fulk fitz-Warine, of Whittington and Alberbury, co.Salop., s.and h. of Fulk F. of the same, by Clarice [presumably de Auberville] his wife, suc. his father (who was slain, ex Parte Regis, in the battle of Lewes), 14 May 1264...", which seems to sideline Constance de Toeni.
If this is the correct scenario, Mabel becomes the full sister of Fulk, 1251 - 1315, rather than a half-sister, but the age discontinuity, with Mabel born c1225, would remain.
[12] Meisel, p. 96.
[13] Meisel argued that the grant of Lambourn to a daughter of Fulk 'III' was 'patently absurd', and that Mabil 'must have been unmarriageable, for most of Fulk's children were married in the 1220s' [p. 96].
[14] CP, under Tregoz, and Grandison.
[15] Meisel, p. 99.
[16] Constance de Tosny was born most likely between July 1233 and Jan. 1236/7: 1. Her parents, Ralph (VI) de Tosny and Petronilla de Lacy, were married after October 1232 (CP Vol XII-Tony). A birthdate of July 1233 would be the earliest reasonable date, but we do not know that such a birth occurred, or that Constance was necessarily the eldest child (surviving or otherwise). 2. Fulk, son of Constance by Fulk FitzWarin, was born 14 September
1251 (CP Vol V-FitzWarin, p. 495). Assuming the conventions of the age were observed, Constance was aged 14 or more at the time of conception: therefore, a date of January 1236/7 would be the latest presumable (although not theoretical) birthdate for Constance. Her father, Roger de Tosny, d. 1239 (CP) at sea, while on Crusade. His actual departure date from England is not known, but this was most likely in the summer of 1239 (Runciman, History of the Crusades III:211-2). There could have been no issue of the marriage of Roger de Tosny and Petronilla de Lacy, posthumous or otherwise, after early 1240.
At the time of Fulk 'IV' FitzWarin's grant of the manor of Lambourn to Mabel FitzWarin in 1249, evidently as her maritagium, Fulk himself was no more than 41 years of age; Constance de Tosny, no more than 16 years of age, and possibly less. Working backward from the terminus of the estimated birth date for Clarice de Tregoz (no later than Jan 1261/2), the birthdate for Mabel FitzWarin was no later than April 1247 (assuming she was at least 14 at the time of conception for Clarice). As Constance de Tosny was most likely aged 13 or less in April 1247, the mother of Mabel FitzWarin had then to be a previous wife of Fulk 'IV' FitzWarin.
[17] Fulk was 'almost certainly a young man in his twenties when he succeeded his father in 1198' (Meisel, p. 36). As to his being alive in October 1250, see CP Vol V, p. 495, note (c), as discussed above.
[18] Meisel, pp. 50-51.
[19] Theobald, son of Theobald Walter and Maud le Vavasor, was aged 6 at his father's IPM (14 Feb 1205/6), therefore 1. The son was most likely born before March 1200, and 2. Theobald Walter and Maud le Vavasor were most likely married in 1199, or before.
[20] For the identification of Clarice d'Auberville as lst wife, and mother of Mabel FitzWarin, see note [16] above. As to Constance de Tosny as 2nd wife, and mother of Fulk 'V' FitzWarin, see CP Vol. V (FitzWarin), p. 495 note (d).
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[43133] The 1880 census shows Ann Canon living with her son, Dr. J.J. Canon and family in Moscow, Polk County, Texas.